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Chicago and North Western Railway was a good article, but it was removed from the list as it no longer met the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.
Review: March 8, 2007.

On 16 December 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Chicago and North Western Transportation Company to Chicago and North Western Railway. The result of the discussion was moved.

Left-hand running

Was there a reason that the CNW ran on the left?

--N9jig (talk) 23:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)When the tracks were built the stations were all on one side. When a second track was built later the new track was on the opposite side as the depot, but since passengers wait for the train in the station in the morning the trains were run on the left side so they didn't have to cross over an active track to access their inbound trains.[reply]

There was a myth out there that it was due to British capital investors but that has been debunked.

Joint passenger operations with UP

I just reverted an anon's edit that changed the end of the joint passenger train operations back twenty years, and that claimed Milwaukee Road was created in 1955. The Milwaukee Road did run some joint passenger trains with UP, but the railroad was not created in 1955. It may be that some of the service was shifted to Milwaukee Road (I'll have to check my references again), but it was my understanding that CNW held onto the majority of passenger services that it started with until Amtrak's creation. Slambo (Speak) 17:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True, the MILW didn't take over all of the CNW trains but it did take over the "City" runs in 1955. Schnauf 15:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Powder River Basin

I'm thinking about adding this section- what do you guys think?

Powder River Basin The CNW originally planned to use its "Cowboy Line" as the connection to the Powder River Basin, however the poor condition of its trackage forced the railroad to look elsewhere for a way to move coal. A connection to Union Pacific was built at South Morrill, NE, and the new partner loaned funds to help CNW upgrade their Powder River Lines (as well as to purchase parts of BN's for joint control) In 1984, the first CNW coal train from the Powder River Basin departed with SD40-2 6935 in the lead and two UP units assisting. The volume of coal traffic soon exploded, and the 450 millionth ton mark was reached in 1994. Schnauf

Sounds good. I'll see if I can dig up the issue of North Western Lines again that covered the construction of the PRB connections. Slambo (Speak) 16:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That looks correct. I have a book here, "Main Lines: Rebirth of the North American Railroads, 1970-2002" that covers that (Except for the serial number of the lead locomotive.) Here's the citation:

Saunders, Richard Jr. (2003). Main Lines: Rebirth of the North American Railroads, 1970-2002. DeKalb, Illinois: Northern Illinois University Press.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Elkman (talk • contribs)

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Renaming

I'm not happy with the renaming of this article from Chicago and North Western Railway to Chicago and North Western Transportation Company. It seems to me that it's more appropriate to use the name the company had for most of its existence — the name by which it's most widely known. What was the reasoning behind this move? Kevin Forsyth (talk) 14:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I agree. Casey (talk) 18:15, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Logo color

The CNW logo was not blue and red. Can someone correct the logo color? 65.25.213.207 (talk) 04:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

The article Chicago and North Western Historical Society was slated to deletion but due to the consensus, it can instead be merged to Chicago and North Western Transportation Company. TheGGoose (talk) 13:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are no sources in the current article. What would be merged? Mackensen (talk) 13:22, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't you read the deletion discussion? The society article would be merged to the company article, at least trimming it into a paragraph perhaps. TheGGoose (talk) 13:47, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did. In fact, I passed on closing it. I'm simply dubious that it's worth a mention and there's enough unreferenced material in the article as-is. I think an external link is sufficient. Mackensen (talk) 14:10, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ball and Bar logo

In the Additional notes section is the comment, "In 1891, the CNW adopted the infamous 'ball and bar' logo..." which slightly confuses me. I was aware the logo was famous, but not so aware of its infamy; and there is no reference that expounds on that. Is anyone knowledgeable about that, or is it likely just a mis-use of the term "infamous?" Mike in IL (talk) 12:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Iowa Southern Railway

Iowa Southern Railway page redirects to this CNW page here, but no mention here. !945 Official Guide shows an electrified line running south from Albia to Centerville, with extension to Appanoose. Casey (talk) 18:13, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Name of page- should be Chicago and North Western Railway

The name of the page should be Chicago and North Western Railway. The railroad was renamed back to its original name- Chicago and North Western Railway in 1994.

This is what happened: In May 1994, the Chicago and North Western Transportation Company was renamed back to its original name, Chicago and North Western Railway and the Chicago and North Western Holdings Corporation was renamed to the second Chicago and North Western Transportation Company.

I added this information to the page already with references Granthew (talk) 02:28, 8 September 2017 (UTC).[reply]

Requested move 16 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 05:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago and North Western Transportation Company → Chicago and North Western Railway – I am reverting the page name to what it was 16 years prior as per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE title. AlphaBeta135 talk 02:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is clearly the common name and the previous move never should have been made. Boston and Maine Corporation was moved to Boston and Maine Railroad in 2021 for the same reason. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:54, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom and Trainsandotherthings. Mackensen (talk) 01:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I agree, the common name of the railroad and the company itself has always been "Chicago and North Western Railway". This also conforms to other railroads like its successor, the [[Union Pacific Railroad]] and others.

N9jig (talk) 21:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Agreed. Also, this page is not the only one named like this. There are also the Southern Pacific Transportation Company and Penn Central Transportation Company. The latter I think is fine to be left as is, but the former, much like the C&NW, was a steam-era company that was commonly associated with the "railroad" name, just so y’all are aware.

Someone who likes train writing (talk) 05:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.